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		<title>By: ema</title>
		<link>http://blog.ekosystem.org/2009/10/brad-downey-tour-de-force/comment-page-1/#comment-9131</link>
		<dc:creator>ema</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah great idea Brad.. i need to paint my room, it s just 3 for 2.5 meters and i would like one of your great concept of STREET ART.I SEE YOU FILL IN VERY WELL I CAN PAY 7 EURO FOR HOUR.</description>
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		<title>By: Brad Downey &#38; Leuphana-Politics &#171; Berlin based Streetart / Urban-Art Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Downey &#38; Leuphana-Politics &#171; Berlin based Streetart / Urban-Art Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Eine Mail einer Studentin aus Lueneburg an Brad Downey btr. Leuphana-Politics und seiner im Rahmen der ARTotale gemalten Wand: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: eko</title>
		<link>http://blog.ekosystem.org/2009/10/brad-downey-tour-de-force/comment-page-1/#comment-9089</link>
		<dc:creator>eko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniela Kummle, university student speaks about the McD project.
http://bigtimebrad.wordpress.com/2009/10/15/daniela-kummle-university-student-speaks-about-the-mcd-project/</description>
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<a href="http://bigtimebrad.wordpress.com/2009/10/15/daniela-kummle-university-student-speaks-about-the-mcd-project/" rel="nofollow">http://bigtimebrad.wordpress.com/2009/10/15/daniela-kummle-university-student-speaks-about-the-mcd-project/</a></p>
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		<title>By: MOMO</title>
		<link>http://blog.ekosystem.org/2009/10/brad-downey-tour-de-force/comment-page-1/#comment-9082</link>
		<dc:creator>MOMO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is why I love Ekosystem.  I will try to remember (Mathiew Ripoulain&#039;s) &quot;interrogate the relation&quot; phrase, to describe curiosity in any situation.  Way to go Brad.  Thanks Eko for the interview.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why I love Ekosystem.  I will try to remember (Mathiew Ripoulain&#8217;s) &#8220;interrogate the relation&#8221; phrase, to describe curiosity in any situation.  Way to go Brad.  Thanks Eko for the interview.</p>
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		<title>By: Mathieu Ripoulain</title>
		<link>http://blog.ekosystem.org/2009/10/brad-downey-tour-de-force/comment-page-1/#comment-9081</link>
		<dc:creator>Mathieu Ripoulain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re GiG
Ok

In fact It make me thought about about the contemporary political artist Hans Haake and his Marlboro piece. But for him it was more explicit because the white cube is a lab, and the piece becomes a pure concept without any misunderstooding possible because the Whole White Wall is here to show art not publicity. 
(we can have an argue on it but in fact I don&#039;t really care about what tension could happen between publicity and art in gallery because those subjects are the reason why I prefer to act in the city ; if you want to interrogate the relation you have with advertising, there is no better place than the street)
Finally that&#039;s maybe that radicality of his piece that could make it violent or misunderstoodable...
beacuse there&#039;s no way to read it as other thing than an advert. The more efficient for the political situation of university. People start to worry directly ; they might say : &quot;Fuck the privatisation as began, I don&#039;t want a Big Mac Master&quot; and might begin to protest. The tensed situation might give sens to his action in the future (if people throw some paint on it to protest for example).
For our piece it&#039;s more about : &quot;Look artists are making art by subverting a logo and support explicitely our cause&quot;.


Looking at all posts here I can imagine the argue directly in the campus and finally I prefer Brad one !

To conclude if it&#039;s about activism and media visibilty, I think that in the get up energy of graffiti (yeah!) Cli and Trane are the best because we all know them by experience not by images. 
I&#039;m going in the south next week and I can&#039;t wait to watch all train station full of their tags and throw-ups.
But for me the &quot;city burning&quot; fight is over I prefer make less art/graffiti but better. Most of us cannot be Trane or Cli. And what point indeed ? Do we need more of them, they are talented in primitive style as a few styler are. Here I prefer to watch, be surprised and make the things were I&#039;m good. 
No need to be king instead of the king - perhaps more to be artists instead of Mc Donalds  ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re GiG<br />
Ok</p>
<p>In fact It make me thought about about the contemporary political artist Hans Haake and his Marlboro piece. But for him it was more explicit because the white cube is a lab, and the piece becomes a pure concept without any misunderstooding possible because the Whole White Wall is here to show art not publicity.<br />
(we can have an argue on it but in fact I don&#8217;t really care about what tension could happen between publicity and art in gallery because those subjects are the reason why I prefer to act in the city ; if you want to interrogate the relation you have with advertising, there is no better place than the street)<br />
Finally that&#8217;s maybe that radicality of his piece that could make it violent or misunderstoodable&#8230;<br />
beacuse there&#8217;s no way to read it as other thing than an advert. The more efficient for the political situation of university. People start to worry directly ; they might say : &#8220;Fuck the privatisation as began, I don&#8217;t want a Big Mac Master&#8221; and might begin to protest. The tensed situation might give sens to his action in the future (if people throw some paint on it to protest for example).<br />
For our piece it&#8217;s more about : &#8220;Look artists are making art by subverting a logo and support explicitely our cause&#8221;.</p>
<p>Looking at all posts here I can imagine the argue directly in the campus and finally I prefer Brad one !</p>
<p>To conclude if it&#8217;s about activism and media visibilty, I think that in the get up energy of graffiti (yeah!) Cli and Trane are the best because we all know them by experience not by images.<br />
I&#8217;m going in the south next week and I can&#8217;t wait to watch all train station full of their tags and throw-ups.<br />
But for me the &#8220;city burning&#8221; fight is over I prefer make less art/graffiti but better. Most of us cannot be Trane or Cli. And what point indeed ? Do we need more of them, they are talented in primitive style as a few styler are. Here I prefer to watch, be surprised and make the things were I&#8217;m good.<br />
No need to be king instead of the king &#8211; perhaps more to be artists instead of Mc Donalds  ?</p>
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		<title>By: eat the future</title>
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		<dc:creator>eat the future</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>street art = experience art in the street

in the net you only see the output,  as it does not move, smell,... . hehe, like that

@beck : perhaps he could have a try..... nice quote....</description>
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<p>in the net you only see the output,  as it does not move, smell,&#8230; . hehe, like that</p>
<p>@beck : perhaps he could have a try&#8230;.. nice quote&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: GiG</title>
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		<dc:creator>GiG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mathieu,
Don&#039;t get me wrong, i know brad art and i like most of it. I know that he is always inventive and not just only reproducing the same logo. (Even if he likes to get up writing everywhere &quot;brad downey was here.&quot;... )I also like this McDo piece. I just don&#039;t like the explanation above. I doubt about the fact that his first motivation was to fight against privatization of universities. And if its the true motivation i think the piece is not that good...Your piece &quot;contre&#039;&quot;, is way more explicit, we can easily guess that you are &quot;against&quot; the entrance of firms in the universities. Here, Eko had to interview Brad to understand the motivation of his piece. It&#039;s not selfexplanatory (i doubt about the existence of this word...). May be, he should have write his motivation on the wall instead of this logo...
May be he is too much subtil for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mathieu,<br />
Don&#8217;t get me wrong, i know brad art and i like most of it. I know that he is always inventive and not just only reproducing the same logo. (Even if he likes to get up writing everywhere &#8220;brad downey was here.&#8221;&#8230; )I also like this McDo piece. I just don&#8217;t like the explanation above. I doubt about the fact that his first motivation was to fight against privatization of universities. And if its the true motivation i think the piece is not that good&#8230;Your piece &#8220;contre&#8217;&#8221;, is way more explicit, we can easily guess that you are &#8220;against&#8221; the entrance of firms in the universities. Here, Eko had to interview Brad to understand the motivation of his piece. It&#8217;s not selfexplanatory (i doubt about the existence of this word&#8230;). May be, he should have write his motivation on the wall instead of this logo&#8230;<br />
May be he is too much subtil for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Mathieu Ripoulain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mathieu Ripoulain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with you GiG
my buddy David Renault and I we made a piece on the university of our town two years ago about the same question : privatization of university (http://lesfreresripoulain.free.fr/expositionsetpublications/contre.gif)
but instead of the true logo « Contrex‘ » which is a French water brand we put a « Contre ‘ » that was more explicit because in French « Contre » means « against ». Anyway the way of asking the question here is more radical. 

Clearly it&#039;s not the same &quot;street art logo&quot; that most street artists put again and again in the streets like some advert for their ego. 
Downey look to be far from this - that kind of guy who try not to do the same twice in deed.
I think that the real difficulty of pieces thought for a specific context, that it is not as easy to understand as usual, beacuse you cannot post it without explanation of the situation all around blogs. 
Most of art in urban space have to be like that. What a pity, most of them are &quot;universal&quot; (I mean understandable for any one that cross them one Internet because there created in english, no matter were they are created).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with you GiG<br />
my buddy David Renault and I we made a piece on the university of our town two years ago about the same question : privatization of university (<a href="http://lesfreresripoulain.free.fr/expositionsetpublications/contre.gif" rel="nofollow">http://lesfreresripoulain.free.fr/expositionsetpublications/contre.gif</a>)<br />
but instead of the true logo « Contrex‘ » which is a French water brand we put a « Contre ‘ » that was more explicit because in French « Contre » means « against ». Anyway the way of asking the question here is more radical. </p>
<p>Clearly it&#8217;s not the same &#8220;street art logo&#8221; that most street artists put again and again in the streets like some advert for their ego.<br />
Downey look to be far from this &#8211; that kind of guy who try not to do the same twice in deed.<br />
I think that the real difficulty of pieces thought for a specific context, that it is not as easy to understand as usual, beacuse you cannot post it without explanation of the situation all around blogs.<br />
Most of art in urban space have to be like that. What a pity, most of them are &#8220;universal&#8221; (I mean understandable for any one that cross them one Internet because there created in english, no matter were they are created).</p>
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		<title>By: GiG</title>
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		<dc:creator>GiG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May be, the story about privatization of universities is secondary. The first aim might have been to shock people, to create a buzz around his name... It worked.
But, i really think that this piece is more a critic of &quot;classic&quot; street art or graffiti, which consists as B.D. said to put your own logo everywhere. Street &quot;artist&quot; are often (not all) just branding, trying to get up as much, like space invader putting his aliens everywhere or trane and cli burning france. They do the same than mcdo or dubonnet, they try to make us see their name everywhere (the streets or internet..). The more up you are, the more tshirts or toys you sell, or the more invitations from festivals you might get...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May be, the story about privatization of universities is secondary. The first aim might have been to shock people, to create a buzz around his name&#8230; It worked.<br />
But, i really think that this piece is more a critic of &#8220;classic&#8221; street art or graffiti, which consists as B.D. said to put your own logo everywhere. Street &#8220;artist&#8221; are often (not all) just branding, trying to get up as much, like space invader putting his aliens everywhere or trane and cli burning france. They do the same than mcdo or dubonnet, they try to make us see their name everywhere (the streets or internet..). The more up you are, the more tshirts or toys you sell, or the more invitations from festivals you might get&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: rebel:art &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Akim &#38; Brad Downey in Lüneburg / Update</title>
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		<dc:creator>rebel:art &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Akim &#38; Brad Downey in Lüneburg / Update</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 13.10: Ekosystem hat ein kurzes Interview mit Brad Downey [...]</description>
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